Havana cafe & other planning news

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New Applications

44 Colebrook Road  (19/05206/HSE). Proposed part single, part double storey rear extension, hip to gable roof conversion and loft conversion with rear dormer.

142 Norbury Court Road (19/05131/HSE). Erection of single storey rear extension

10 St Helen’s Road (19/05164/HSE). Construction of a front fence/garden wall, to be constructed of brick with railing elements, including provision for a vehicle gate and pedestrian gate. Widening of the existing vehicle access/crossover is also proposed.

New Approvals

Land R/O 2-4 Green Lane (19/03538/FUL). Erection of a new two storey terrace comprising 3no two bedroom homes and a single storey rear extension to the existing commercial premises. Conditions relate to 19% carbon emission and water usage reduction and additional planning details and construction logistics plan.

203 Norbury Avenue (19/03884/FUL). Demolition and erection of single storey front extension/porch.  Water butt to be provided.

New Refusal

1 Abingdon Road (19/00491/FUL). Conversion of a single family dwelling house into 3no self-contained units (2 x 1 bed units, 1 x 3 bed unit) (Amended description) Reason: The development would result in sub-standard accommodation by reason of inadequate floor area and failure to provide acceptable levels of private external amenity space.

New Appeal Lodged

22 Pollards Hill West (19/00090/HREF). Erection of two storey side and rear extension and single storey rear/side extension, and alterations of garage into habitable room.

Council Approves Havana’s application at 1363 London Rd

on 6 November the Council’s Planning Sub-committee approved the application for the replacement of the temporary rear structure by a permanent one at the Havana café at 1363 London Rd submitted because the temporary one had been built without planning permission.

All the members (regardless of political party) supported the application accepting the officers explanation that Planning Enforcement advised that the illegal shisha smoking inside the premises was not a breach of the planning approval as a dessert café. The Sub-committee ignored the concern I raised about the new internal design in relation to wheelchair access to the re-located and small wc (see full text below). Cllr Leila Ben-Hassel also spoke against. It is to be hoped that the public airing of the illegal smoking will result in Council officers taking action under non-planning powers to stop the illegal smoking.

Here is the text of what I said to the Council’s Planning Sub-committee on Wednesday 6 November.

‘The application seeks to enlarge the area of the premises used by the Havana Café by moving the customer service area and counter back into the premises increasing the customer floor space seating area by 19 square metres, and will  increase the number of customers who can be inside the premises.

The re-located wc will be smaller in size by 0.27sqm. It is not clear  whether the corridor by the preparation area and the wc and the turning angle from the passage into the wc area will be wide enough for customers in wheel chairs, and the wc wide enough to enable wheel chairs to be turned around. There could be conflict of use of the passage between customers going to and from the wc and the staff going into and out of the preparation area.

In 2015 the Council approved changes to the café’s frontage. The applicant’s Design and Access statement stated that the property was being used as a desert restaurant. (e.g. paras 2.5, 3.3, 3.6)

It was therefore implicit that the planning approval was for a dessert restaurant. The provision of shisha smoking equipment for the use of customers inside and outside means that the business is not being run solely as a dessert restaurant, and therefore is in breach of the planning approval.

The Council successfully prosecuted a previous owner for the illegal smoking, who then sold the premises, meaning the officers had to start the process again. There has been no new court action. By dragging out taking further action, the Council is implicitly authorising the illegal use at the expense of the interests of other businesses, which comply with the anti-smoking requirements inside their premises.

With the support of the Norbury Green Residents Association I request the Sub-committee to refuse the application on the grounds of:

(1)    poor design of the wc and the passage way servicing the preparation area and wc;

(2)    the lack of compliance with it being a dessert café by providing shisha smoking equipment inside and outside the premises.

Further the Sub-committee is requested to advise the relevant officers to:

(1)    take further court action against the illegal smoking inside the premises and in the other Havana café at 1347  London Rd.

(2)    investigate whether the hookahs supplied are properly cleaned in between use by different customers, an issue drawn to local residents attention by a Chief Inspector of Police.’


About seancreighton1947

Since moving to Norbury in July 2011 I have been active on local economy, housing and environment issues with Croydon TUC and Croydon Assembly. I am a member of the Love Norbury Residents Associations Planning & Transport Committees, and Chair of Nobury Community Land Trust. I write for Croydon Citizen at http://thecroydoncitizen.com. I co-ordinate the Samuel Coleridge-Taylor and Croydon Radical History Networks and edit the North East Popular Politics database. History Project.. I give history talks and lead history walks. I retired in 2012 having worked in the community/voluntary sector and on heritage projects. My history interests include labour movement, mutuality, Black British, slavery & abolition, Edwardian roller skating and the social and political use of music and song. I have a particular interest in the histories of Battersea and Wandsworth, Croydon and Lambeth. I have a publishing imprint History & Social Action Publications.
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2 Responses to Havana cafe & other planning news

  1. Robin Ollington ? says:

    Sean Creighton. Was interested to read of your interest in Edwardian Roller Skating…not that i am except that my mother was a champion at that time. However l do have a bound collection of French sporting magazines La Vu en Grand Air. 1898 in which appear on several occasions photographs of ‘patin bycyclettes’ , roller skates but with very small bicycle wheels upon which one could reach speeds of 25km an hour. On one occasion l saw a pair of these at auction in London described as ‘’Clowns skates’ l duly sent a copy of the page from the book and details were altered in time. The book belonged to my late Uncle who for many years had a bycycle shop and repair works in Norbury until destroyed by a bomb after which it continued in a much smaller format until his death. I hope this might be of interest to you. Also If you are at all interested and it may come within your field l have just designed and produced a children’s book on the the history of Capt Coram and the Foundling Hospital which has been produced by them to be sent to every school in the country,let me know, send me your address and will send you a copy.
    Also if you are at all interested l have been asked to give a talk at the Fairview Medical Centre on
    Mon Dec 18 at 12.30 to their Patients Group on my experience amongst other things as a stamp
    designer when I produced work for Gibraltar,Guernsey, Alderney and Poland etc over several years…Anyway just a thought Robin Ollington


    • Thanks. If you email me on sean.creighton1947@btinternet.com I will reply on roller skating.

      Gillian Wagner’s book on Coram is on my bookshelf which I enjoyed reading. The Foundling Hospital has featured in a couple of walks I have led in the area.

      I would be interested in seeing a copy of the school book.
      local authors bookstalls at Boxpark on 1 & 8 December, which I am co-ordinating for Made in Croydon IC.



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